Okay, there have been five suns and five ages of the world and five races of men.
The first sun was the Golden Age, the age of the first men, the age of creation after the Chaoskampf, ah, for you, my brother's Signer and the officer of B.E.A.S.T., that refers to the concept of a primordial battle between a horned male god and a great primordial breeding serpent or vast giant, over the formless watery void that will become creation.
Anyways, the first sun was the Golden Age, in which men walked with the Gods. This was the era of Eden, under a black Chthonic Sun. Men's life was seemingly endless, and connected to the Gods they were wise. The world provided endless sustenance, but the Horned God and the Chthonic God, whose body had become the fuel of the Sun, ultimately clashed, and ended the first age, where great feline chimeras consumed the first age of man after the First People.
The second age is the Silver Age, is the age when the Horned God took full rein over the world, and chose to serve as the Sun himself, but men refused to worship the horned God, and worshipped and chaafed under the weight of their mother's infinite and boundless bosom, and grew fat on greed. Angered, the Horned God and his brothers turned men into beasts and had a great storm wipe away the world.
The third age is the Age of Copper, reined over by the Sun of the Harvest and the Waters, forging men out of Ash. However, the actions of the Great Trickster and Accuser brought grief to the God whose body became the fuel for the Sun of the Harvest and Waters, and the world became as dust and drought and men warred, fleeing the drying world, and disgusted, the the third God sent great fire as the people fled across the seas, but for naught, as the world became as ash, like snoww.
The fourth age is the Age of Heroes, reigned over by the Daughter of the Primordial Waters, and great deeds reigned and legends grew, but in the end she was lied to by the Great Trickster and Accuser, and thus she brought about The Great Flood. Those men who survived survived on great ships or became horrors of the deep. The final battle for Atlantis happened during this age.
The Fifth Age had the Great Horned God King refuse to accept the destruction of the Age of Heroes, as it stole back man from The King of the Underworld, but it came with the cost of man's life being short and miserable. In order to help Man survive, Man begged for a savior, and thus the Crimson Dragon was born, with Atlantis' fall, and the retreat of Duel Monsters, I was tasked to lock away the world as it was, Fantasia, and with the help of my siblings, bend the world to its current laws and rules. This is or was. The Fifth Age of Man.
You may decide how much of this is true or still true. But I will say that that the end of Atlantis and the Signer Dragons locking away 'Fantasia', are the only hard facts you can get. Because, the world back then didn't work on concrete histories, imperial facts, or objective reality. It was a world where narrative was king.
However, I would heavily suggest you drop the matter of touching on any of this. And drop any investigation of 'The Vel'. It's bad enough Kamala's ascension blew out a load bearing lock on reality.
Don't even mention their names! Don't even think about them!! They'll observe us! If they still existed in the world, Japan as you know it wouldn't even exist!
There is a monster at the end of every story. There is a reason you fear the dark. The most merciful thing in the world is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents.
There is a reason why you don't mention them, why the Crimson Dragon had them completely buried and disappeared. Why the only thing left was the Legendary Numbers.
What if I told you the Astrals, such as your friend Hope, were the frail end point of essentially a caste of ascetic monk-scientists. I mean in the sense of self starving sages.
Now. Imagine what someone with a flesh and blood body would be like.
Imagine a thin frail scholar who is basically a floating mass of energy. That's Hope or Eliphas. You remember what the Astral World did to Lady Hirume's world.
Imagine an entire civilization of Astrals who have flesh-and-blood bodies and can actually wage war or throw a punch.
She's implying the Astrals, despite their ascension, got weaker.
My recollection, but it's hazy and that era is an era where reality was very much fluid...
As I said, they were the monsters at the End or, rather, Beginning of the Book.
The world was an abyss unrecognizable as what you would call the world, a world beyond your imaginings, beyond your understanding. The myths of Tiamat, Leviathan, Pangu, Ymir. The creation from a world beyond description into ours. The Earth diver myths, are all referencing the world going from Them to Us.
My siblings and I had to fight one of them, Cipactli, to help save the People of the Dragon Star and establish the world.
Humanity and Duel Spirits turned on them, and there was a combination of luck, likely in-fighting on their part, courage and stubbornness led the Chaoskampf heroes around the world to slay the old order.
The Astrals are more of a group that decided to keep ascending, but them being in many ways their brain trust, it would not be a surprise if that crippled them, though I do recall a critical battle being won by the failure of nearly 9 million of their soldiers showing up.
And with a critical collapse in key battlefronts, I was asked by the 'Gods' of this world to seal away Fantasy, and with it. Them.
And I had to seal it away to ensure your kind, Tsukumo Yuma, could thrive. Mankind dies in the endless ocean of fantasy. And Avalon is one of the most fantastical, wonderful, beautiful places in all of creation.
And it would make sure you never moved past cow herding.
Zed was a major proto-Astral City that became a city of the people of the Dragon Star, Quetzalcoatl Ultimaya, i.e. The Crimson Dragon. It is the Lost City of Z.
Iram of the Many Lofty Pillars, if I recall, is where a dragonoid member of the Proto-Astrals was experimenting to become humanoid.
Buyan of Sannikova is a sunken city where a powerful sage hid his soul.
The fifth one, Qin Shi Huang is not a place, but the strongest general of the Proto-Astrals, later taken and emulated by the first Emperor of China. For simplicity's sake the Qin Shi Huang here should be called "The Yellow Emperor".
Also, I don't recall the full name. But. "Vel" wasn't their name.
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Date: 2025-05-15 03:37 pm (UTC)Er, yeah.
I totally know about... that.
Absolutely.
*He very obviously doesn't.*
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Date: 2025-05-15 05:35 pm (UTC)*is addressing the Ancient Fairy Dragon, thankfully, trying to get focus away from you and the fact that you're sweating bullets about that, Yuma*
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Date: 2025-05-15 11:52 pm (UTC)Okay, there have been five suns and five ages of the world and five races of men.
The first sun was the Golden Age, the age of the first men, the age of creation after the Chaoskampf, ah, for you, my brother's Signer and the officer of B.E.A.S.T., that refers to the concept of a primordial battle between a horned male god and a great primordial breeding serpent or vast giant, over the formless watery void that will become creation.
Anyways, the first sun was the Golden Age, in which men walked with the Gods. This was the era of Eden, under a black Chthonic Sun. Men's life was seemingly endless, and connected to the Gods they were wise. The world provided endless sustenance, but the Horned God and the Chthonic God, whose body had become the fuel of the Sun, ultimately clashed, and ended the first age, where great feline chimeras consumed the first age of man after the First People.
The second age is the Silver Age, is the age when the Horned God took full rein over the world, and chose to serve as the Sun himself, but men refused to worship the horned God, and worshipped and chaafed under the weight of their mother's infinite and boundless bosom, and grew fat on greed. Angered, the Horned God and his brothers turned men into beasts and had a great storm wipe away the world.
The third age is the Age of Copper, reined over by the Sun of the Harvest and the Waters, forging men out of Ash. However, the actions of the Great Trickster and Accuser brought grief to the God whose body became the fuel for the Sun of the Harvest and Waters, and the world became as dust and drought and men warred, fleeing the drying world, and disgusted, the the third God sent great fire as the people fled across the seas, but for naught, as the world became as ash, like snoww.
The fourth age is the Age of Heroes, reigned over by the Daughter of the Primordial Waters, and great deeds reigned and legends grew, but in the end she was lied to by the Great Trickster and Accuser, and thus she brought about The Great Flood. Those men who survived survived on great ships or became horrors of the deep. The final battle for Atlantis happened during this age.
The Fifth Age had the Great Horned God King refuse to accept the destruction of the Age of Heroes, as it stole back man from The King of the Underworld, but it came with the cost of man's life being short and miserable. In order to help Man survive, Man begged for a savior, and thus the Crimson Dragon was born, with Atlantis' fall, and the retreat of Duel Monsters, I was tasked to lock away the world as it was, Fantasia, and with the help of my siblings, bend the world to its current laws and rules. This is or was. The Fifth Age of Man.
You may decide how much of this is true or still true. But I will say that that the end of Atlantis and the Signer Dragons locking away 'Fantasia', are the only hard facts you can get. Because, the world back then didn't work on concrete histories, imperial facts, or objective reality. It was a world where narrative was king.
However, I would heavily suggest you drop the matter of touching on any of this. And drop any investigation of 'The Vel'. It's bad enough Kamala's ascension blew out a load bearing lock on reality.
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Date: 2025-05-16 05:15 pm (UTC)But where does 'The Vel' come in all this? What are they to you?
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Date: 2025-05-16 05:54 pm (UTC)Don't even mention their names! Don't even think about them!! They'll observe us! If they still existed in the world, Japan as you know it wouldn't even exist!
::Hissing.::
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Date: 2025-05-16 05:57 pm (UTC)It can't be that absurd. We know there's a pregnitor form of the Astraals...
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Date: 2025-05-16 06:08 pm (UTC)There is a monster at the end of every story. There is a reason you fear the dark. The most merciful thing in the world is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents.
There is a reason why you don't mention them, why the Crimson Dragon had them completely buried and disappeared. Why the only thing left was the Legendary Numbers.
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Date: 2025-05-16 06:25 pm (UTC)What exactly makes them so scary to you?
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Date: 2025-05-16 06:34 pm (UTC)It's not about 'bad' Tsukumo Yuma..
What if I told you the Astrals, such as your friend Hope, were the frail end point of essentially a caste of ascetic monk-scientists. I mean in the sense of self starving sages.
Now. Imagine what someone with a flesh and blood body would be like.
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Date: 2025-05-16 06:36 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2025-05-16 06:58 pm (UTC)Imagine an entire civilization of Astrals who have flesh-and-blood bodies and can actually wage war or throw a punch.
She's implying the Astrals, despite their ascension, got weaker.
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Date: 2025-05-16 07:04 pm (UTC)Yeah, that is kinda bad now that I think of it... especially knowing what the Astrals have done in their current form in the past.
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Date: 2025-05-16 07:07 pm (UTC)I am confident a single member of their people could erase the entire world as we currently know it.
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Date: 2025-05-16 07:08 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2025-05-17 06:17 pm (UTC)Mmm...
My recollection, but it's hazy and that era is an era where reality was very much fluid...
As I said, they were the monsters at the End or, rather, Beginning of the Book.
The world was an abyss unrecognizable as what you would call the world, a world beyond your imaginings, beyond your understanding. The myths of Tiamat, Leviathan, Pangu, Ymir. The creation from a world beyond description into ours. The Earth diver myths, are all referencing the world going from Them to Us.
My siblings and I had to fight one of them, Cipactli, to help save the People of the Dragon Star and establish the world.
It nearly butchered us several times over. Us.
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Date: 2025-05-17 06:26 pm (UTC)So, what happened to them in the end? Was that the turning point where they started to become the Astrals? Or did most of them just disappear?
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Date: 2025-05-18 04:44 pm (UTC)Humanity and Duel Spirits turned on them, and there was a combination of luck, likely in-fighting on their part, courage and stubbornness led the Chaoskampf heroes around the world to slay the old order.
The Astrals are more of a group that decided to keep ascending, but them being in many ways their brain trust, it would not be a surprise if that crippled them, though I do recall a critical battle being won by the failure of nearly 9 million of their soldiers showing up.
And with a critical collapse in key battlefronts, I was asked by the 'Gods' of this world to seal away Fantasy, and with it. Them.
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Date: 2025-05-18 05:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2025-05-18 05:33 pm (UTC)Yes.
... Though Avalon being brought up personally hurts.
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Date: 2025-05-18 05:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2025-05-18 05:35 pm (UTC)Avalon is the closest thing I ever had to a home.
And I had to seal it away to ensure your kind, Tsukumo Yuma, could thrive. Mankind dies in the endless ocean of fantasy. And Avalon is one of the most fantastical, wonderful, beautiful places in all of creation.
And it would make sure you never moved past cow herding.
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Date: 2025-05-18 05:39 pm (UTC)I'm guessing all those places we listed are places that were sealed away?
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Date: 2025-05-18 05:54 pm (UTC)Yes.
Zed was a major proto-Astral City that became a city of the people of the Dragon Star, Quetzalcoatl Ultimaya, i.e. The Crimson Dragon. It is the Lost City of Z.
Iram of the Many Lofty Pillars, if I recall, is where a dragonoid member of the Proto-Astrals was experimenting to become humanoid.
Buyan of Sannikova is a sunken city where a powerful sage hid his soul.
The fifth one, Qin Shi Huang is not a place, but the strongest general of the Proto-Astrals, later taken and emulated by the first Emperor of China. For simplicity's sake the Qin Shi Huang here should be called "The Yellow Emperor".
Also, I don't recall the full name. But. "Vel" wasn't their name.
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